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Pilchards in Panacea?

Postby Dockwilson » July 10th, 2020, 9:51 pm

Any advice on where to catch pilchards out of Rock Landing in Panacea?
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Re: Pilchards in Panacea?

Postby Srbenda » July 11th, 2020, 6:07 pm

Not sure about Pilchards, but you'll find schools of white bait offshore in about 20'+ of water

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Re: Pilchards in Panacea?

Postby silverking » July 12th, 2020, 8:53 am

Pilchards, scaled sardines, white bait. It's all the same bait fish.
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Re: Pilchards in Panacea?

Postby eightwt » July 12th, 2020, 12:41 pm

Do some call these LY's, alewives?
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Re: Pilchards in Panacea?

Postby silverking » July 12th, 2020, 1:22 pm

eightwt wrote:Do some call these LY's, alewives?


Nope, those are Gulf menhaden. Also called bunker and pogy.
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Re: Pilchards in Panacea?

Postby Srbenda » July 12th, 2020, 8:28 pm

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Re: Pilchards in Panacea?

Postby leonreno » July 13th, 2020, 11:02 am

silverking wrote:
eightwt wrote:Do some call these LY's, alewives?


Nope, those are Gulf menhaden. Also called bunker and pogy.


Actually what is referred to LY’s on the Florida panhandle is a scaled sardine.

http://www.gulfshorespierfishing.com/f27/scaled-sardine-%3D-l-y-16660/

Also referred to Pilchards and white bait:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_sardine
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Re: Pilchards in Panacea?

Postby silverking » July 13th, 2020, 11:39 am

My source is the late expert Vic Dunaway, former editor of Florida Sportsman and his book, Sport Fish of the Gulf of Mexico.

There are plenty of local references that aren't universal. For example, many Panhandle fishermen refer to pinfish as choffers. Bonito and bonita are another example. Just depends on who you talk to.
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Re: Pilchards in Panacea?

Postby leonreno » July 13th, 2020, 1:11 pm

That’s definitely true, naming of fish is so confusing due to local names as you mentioned. He was asking if some people call pilchards or scaled sardines “LYs” and they do, around here. But as you say they also call gulf menhaden LYs or alewives too. Yep, what’s called Bonita around here are actually false albacore or little tunny. It’s very confusing.
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Re: Pilchards in Panacea?

Postby Salty Gator » July 13th, 2020, 1:53 pm

leonreno wrote:
silverking wrote:
eightwt wrote:Do some call these LY's, alewives?


Nope, those are Gulf menhaden. Also called bunker and pogy.


Actually what is referred to LY’s on the Florida panhandle is a scaled sardine.

http://www.gulfshorespierfishing.com/f27/scaled-sardine-%3D-l-y-16660/

Also referred to Pilchards and white bait:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_sardine


I can’t speak to the panhandle, but in the big bend it is as sk mentioned. Bait is regional, they call a pinfish a Choffer in Panama City. The guys I know over there call a menhaden an LY. And a white bait is a pilchard. Same as us. But your link is to a forum like this one with Wikipedia as the reference, sooo more opinion than fact

Come to think of it, everywhere I’ve fished in Florida, a scaled sardine is a pilchard or white bait. An ly is a pogy/bunker/ menhaden
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Re: Pilchards in Panacea?

Postby Srbenda » July 13th, 2020, 2:57 pm

Here's my naming source for my bait that I constantly manage to feed to Amberjacks.

https://myfwc.com/wildlifehabitats/prof ... ic-bumper/

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Re: Pilchards in Panacea?

Postby Salty Gator » July 13th, 2020, 3:06 pm

Srbenda wrote:Here's my naming source for my bait that I constantly manage to feed to Amberjacks.

https://myfwc.com/wildlifehabitats/prof ... ic-bumper/

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I’ve never seen or heard of a bumper before. An Atlantic bunker( with a k) is an LY..

The bumper appears to be some sort of Jack. Definitely not white bait/pilchard or a ly/menhaden
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Re: Pilchards in Panacea?

Postby grasshopper » July 14th, 2020, 8:14 pm

Dockwilson wrote:Any advice on where to catch pilchards out of Rock Landing in Panacea?
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No one gave you any advise so I will. You can catch pilchards anywhere in that area on top of grass in 4’ of water close to deeper water but you have to chum. The large sand bar that goes from the spring creek channel back to almost rock landing channel that we refer to as the t- bar holds pilchards that you can sight cast sometimes. The best chum is purrina tropical fish food, but you can mix your own using brown bread, jack mackerel and anise oil. Chumming usually takes 15 to 30 minutes. Of course some grass flats are better than others and I can’t give mine up. Good luck and there is no better live bait than the scaled sardine, white bait or pilchard and they sure as hell ain’t LY’s.
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Re: Pilchards in Panacea?

Postby flatsbroke22 » July 15th, 2020, 2:33 pm

grasshopper wrote:
Dockwilson wrote:Any advice on where to catch pilchards out of Rock Landing in Panacea?
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No one gave you any advise so I will. You can catch pilchards anywhere in that area on top of grass in 4’ of water close to deeper water but you have to chum. The large sand bar that goes from the spring creek channel back to almost rock landing channel that we refer to as the t- bar holds pilchards that you can sight cast sometimes. The best chum is purrina tropical fish food, but you can mix your own using brown bread, jack mackerel and anise oil. Chumming usually takes 15 to 30 minutes. Of course some grass flats are better than others and I can’t give mine up. Good luck and there is no better live bait than the scaled sardine, white bait or pilchard and they sure as hell ain’t LY’s.


Great advice. I use the same recipe for chumming them up. Just make sure if you buy the Purina in 50lb. bag make sure you keep it in a sealed container!
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Re: Pilchards in Panacea?

Postby Salty Gator » July 15th, 2020, 3:29 pm

I can’t ever find purina tropical fish food. Where do y’all get it?
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