SJB and elswhere 10/5 & 10/8

Post by **Atticus** » October 10th, 2006, 9:55 pm

Culling reds is illegal

Post by **tin can** » October 10th, 2006, 9:58 pm

Atticus wrote:Culling reds is illegal

Is that free legal advice, or jealousy?

Post by **Barhopr** » October 10th, 2006, 10:06 pm

If I catch a legal slot red fish and put him in my livewell and continue to fish and then later catch another slot red that just happens to be a bit larger and replace the smaller one in the livewell with him, thats illegal?
I don't think so. I am never in possesion of more than my legal limit of Red Drum.

Post by **Jumptrout51** » October 10th, 2006, 10:07 pm

Barhopr wrote:hey no fair, who nixed my pix?

CHALK THE PLIERS THIEF EDITS EVERYTHING HE FINDS APPROPRIATE.

Post by **Jumptrout51** » October 10th, 2006, 10:09 pm

Atticus wrote:Culling reds is illegal

You have to have the ability to catch more than one before it becomes a issue.

Post by **Barhopr** » October 10th, 2006, 10:11 pm

I have found that if you don't like the mans rules, don't play his game. no bigie

Post by **Jumptrout51** » October 10th, 2006, 10:13 pm

BH,are you related to BD? You sure do favor one another.

Post by **Barhopr** » October 10th, 2006, 10:16 pm

you never know, popa was a rolling stone. No not really just always wanted a reason to say that.

Post by **Atticus** » October 10th, 2006, 10:20 pm

Culling is only allowed if you are in a tourney that has the required approval. I don't care - tell the FWC your interpretation of the rule - just free fishing advice.

Its confusing because people see the TV tourneys and think its okay.

Post by **Barhopr** » October 10th, 2006, 10:33 pm

We don't get no TV tourneys on the Tele up here in the sticks, what you talking bout? and who is the FWC fellow?

Post by **Chalk** » October 11th, 2006, 7:53 am

Is culling allowed?--Answer: The rules are different in fresh water and salt water. Culling has always been allowed in fresh water provided that released fish are alive and that culling is done immediately. The rationale in part is biological but in part historical. Recreational fishing has been regulated for much longer in fresh water than in salt water, partially because of perceived impacts on the resource (some people used to think the oceans were too large to be impacted by recreational fishing or management efforts). Culling was allowed very early on in fresh water and became widely accepted as a fresh water practice throughout the nation for both individual anglers and tournament anglers when live wells became common. Wanton waste rules continue to prohibit discarding dead fish to deliberately replace them with a larger live one. Remember that fish that are illegal to possess because of species, size or bag limits cannot be kept, even if they died or are likely to die as a result of catching them, consequently they must be released.

I do it, will do it, write me a ticket and I will pay and continue to do it...

Per Chapter 68 of the Florida Statue - 68B-22.007 you are correct, but it seems to apply to only redfish and a tournament...I searched for cull (only found oysters), the regulation cited is labeled Catch-Hold, search on that revealed only two hits for that same cited regulation...If you read the cited regulation you will notice it is written to cover two parties the tournament angler and the tournament staff.

So, other than that vague definition, show me where it's definitively stated, so I can clearly and understandingly break the law.

http://floridafisheries.com/faqs/index.html#culling-ans

http://myfwc.com/marine/FWC68B.htm

Post by **Barhopr** » October 11th, 2006, 8:46 am

yeah, what he said.

Post by **Atticus** » October 11th, 2006, 10:07 am

Are you seriously contending its legal?

Post by **Chalk** » October 11th, 2006, 11:07 am

Atticus wrote:Are you seriously contending its legal?

Yes...Tell me difference between the freshwater and saltwater and why the regulations are different, tell me where it's specifically states "culling, catch-hold or possession is prohibited outside the redfish tournament regulations.

If I catch one trout and keep it in the livewell, catch another and want to replace the live fish in my possession with another live fish and release the fish in my livewell....Tell me, show me, educate me on how that is so illegal and when you do that I want a cross examination on why it's legal to do in freshwater.

Despite the rules and what they say, to catch one in the act, one would have to be insight of that individual and witness the act...and if you read the minutes of some of the rules meetings minutes pertaining to the redfish regulations, several board members stated a need to amend the rule for catch-hold to apply to all recerational fishermen, not just tournaments.

Post by **Atticus** » October 11th, 2006, 11:34 am

Since you asked it says it at Chapter 68B-22.007, Florida Administrative Code:

68B-22.007 Catch-Hold-and-Release Tournament Exemption.

(1) Except as provided in this rule, the practice of catching, holding, and releasing redfish is prohibited. The Executive Director of the FWC, or his designee, shall issue a tournament exemption permit to the director of a catch-and-release fishing tournament to allow redfish to be caught, held, and released during the tournament, and to allow the tournament to exceed redfish bag and possession limits pursuant to subsection 68B-22.005(1), F.A.C., after redfish have been weighed-in, provided that each of the following conditions is met:

(a) Tournament anglers and tournament staff agree to attempt to release alive all redfish that are caught, including those fish that are weighed-in.
(b) Each two person team of tournament anglers possesses no more than two live redfish in the boat's live well or recirculating tank at any one time.
(c) All boats used in the tournament contain recirculating or aerated live wells that are at least 2.4 cubic feet or 18 gallons in capacity.
(d) Dead redfish possessed by a two person team of tournament anglers are not discarded. A dead redfish is consid-ered harvested and will count as the daily bag limit for the team of tournament anglers who harvested that fish.
(e) Redfish are maintained in an aerated recovery holding tank prior to release. Recovery holding tank requirements may be specified in the tournament exemption permit at the FWC's discretion in order to increase survival of released redfish.
(f) The tournament provides the FWC with a description of the aerated recovery holding tank(s) used to maintain redfish alive after weigh-in.
(g) The tournament provides the FWC with a description of the location where tournament caught redfish will be released after they are weighed in. In order to increase survival of released redfish, release locations may be specified in the tournament exemption permit at the FWC's discretion.
(h) The tournament permit holder shall submit a post-tournament report to the FWC indicating the number of fish weighed-in each day of the tournament, the number of fish weighed-in dead each day, and the number of fish that died after being weighed-in, but prior to release each day. The FWC may specify additional tournament reporting require-ments as a condition of the tournament exemption permit.
(i) The tournament agrees to allow FWC staff the opportunity to collect research data and conduct research and on-board monitoring during the tournament, as needed.

(2) Application for issuance of a tournament exemption permit shall be made on a form provided by the FWC (Form DMF-SL 5000 (3-04), incorporated herein by reference). Tournament exemption permits will only be issued to catch-and-release redfish tournaments that agree to the permit conditions in subsection (1).

(3) Any anglers participating in a redfish tournament for which a tournament exemption permit has been issued shall have a copy of the permit in his or her possession at all times during tournament operating hours.

(4) Any violation of the conditions and requirements specified within the tournament exemption permit will be con-sidered a violation of this rule.