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Posted: October 8th, 2003, 11:54 am
by Cranfield
All Shimano ball bearings, are made by little Shimano employees, in little Shimano Ball Bearing Factories. :thumbup:
Trust me, I know about these things. :wink:

lightchop, you mean that there is no dirt in the atmosphere, where you live and fish ?
I keep my reels as clean as possible, but "dirt" is everywhere.
Try a light lubricating spindle oil, it works wonders.

Posted: October 8th, 2003, 1:14 pm
by dstockwell
Cranfield wrote:but "dirt" is everywhere.
Maybe you need to clean house more. :lol:

Posted: October 8th, 2003, 1:59 pm
by Cranfield
I don,t fish in my house.
Like me, the reels only get dirty when they go "out". :D

Posted: October 8th, 2003, 2:05 pm
by Littoral
Lightchop -will you explain your anticorrosion method?
I need to know because between the need to clean the house or fish...

Posted: October 8th, 2003, 3:07 pm
by lightchop
Ken,
Thanks for the clarification on the Capricorn drive gear, drive gear shaft and ball bearing placement.
As far as Shimano, Daiwa and even Okuma, they are primarily, “Registered Trademarksâ€

Posted: October 8th, 2003, 3:28 pm
by Cranfield
This is a the text of an email received from Okuma.......

"Thanks for your mail.

Okuma does not and has not in the past produced any reels for Shimano.

Okuma brand is produced in our own factories, which are 100% owned and operated by Okuma Fishing Tackle.

If Okuma did produce for Shimano, we feel the quality would be the same, but that the Shimano reels should be cheaper!



Best regards,

Jessica Lin
Sales department "


You have to admire her Company loyalty :D .

lightchop, I,m trying to arrange for the Chairman of the Shimano Corporation, to pop round your house and convince you that their reels (incl parts), are not made by Contractors. :roll:
I have told him not to hold his breath. :)

Posted: October 8th, 2003, 3:35 pm
by Cranfield
An email received from Louise Clayton, Shimano (UK) states.....

"All Shimano reels are manufactured by Shimano and we do not have any links with Okuma. We have heard several similar rumours, all of which are
untrue. "

I rest my case M,Lud. :wink:

Posted: October 8th, 2003, 3:37 pm
by Littoral
Funny the reel in question is also a Type A.
That fact that you chose to add (incl parts)to your comment about the "Chairman" tells me that you also noticed that the e-mail from the Okuma rep said nothing about where the parts were made.
This also true for the e-mail from Shimano.
I say case not rested.
Again, I do appreciate all the information.
Lightchop, any suggestions on how to grease my Cabelas (aka doesn’t say Diawa but is at least assembled by Diawa) Prodigy?
Truth is, it embarrasses me to fish with it cause if it says Cabelas it might as well be a Charlie Brown combo.
I’ll never catch anything

Posted: October 8th, 2003, 3:45 pm
by lightchop
Cran,
Why are you always trying to pass yourself off as an expert on anything, “little!â€

Posted: October 8th, 2003, 3:48 pm
by Ken K
If it helps any I just looked at Shimano's annual report. They have a little over $611 million (US dollars) worth of machinery and equipment. They are apparently making something themselves. This whole argument is pointless, IMO.

Posted: October 8th, 2003, 3:55 pm
by lightchop
Cran,
I've heard the wind in the trees before!
Did you notice she said if Okuma made reels for Shimano, they would be cheaper! Can be interpreted 2 ways.
Also, this is a statement of producing a reel, not component parts for some other brand's reel!
Another thing is that Okuma is a silent partner as an OEM maker, the largest maker of spinning reels and other reels, too, in the world!
Part of their contract with other registered trademarks is to remain annonymous.
"I did not have sex with that . . . . Now, where did you get that blue dress?"
:lick:

Posted: October 8th, 2003, 4:01 pm
by Ken K
In comparison, Timken (the only bearing manufacturer I could think of) lists machinery and equipment at nearly $2.5 Billion (thats a B).

Posted: October 8th, 2003, 4:07 pm
by Cranfield
I don,t seriously profess to be an "expert" in anything, except knowing when its time to stop "flogging a dead horse". :P

Posted: October 8th, 2003, 4:14 pm
by lightchop
Ken,
You certainly have a way with drawing conclusions from looking at some dollar figures. If you looked at the Pentagon and saw they spent as much as $500 for a hammer, and had purchased 100's of thousands of them, would you deduce that they must make hammers?
If this stuff is pointless, don't pay any attention to it! I ain't going to loose any sleep over it and I've said it at least 4-5 times that it doesn't matter who does what to a reel as long as it works properly, is durable ,if it doesn't, the registered trademark services it or replaces it to my satisfaction and that any problem doesn't recur.
It's you and Cran who, want to believe in the Tooth Fairy!
:lol:

Posted: October 8th, 2003, 4:22 pm
by Ken K
No, Lightchop, I would not. There is a difference between inventory and M&E on a balance sheet. WTF do YOU think Shimano is doing with that half a billion plus dollars worth of equipment?