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Re: Use of Dispersants for Gulf Oil Spill

Posted: May 20th, 2010, 4:51 pm
by Scoop Sea
MudDucker wrote:The disbersants were used to save the beaches. That is a hard call as to what will do the most damage. The more that comes out, the more it seems this was a total cluster both by the company and by the regulators.

Trust me, the dispersants are not being used to save the beaches, the dispersants are being used to try and keep the oil out of the wetlands/marine estuaries. Oil on a sandy beach is an easy job to clean up verses trying to get it out of the marsh and wetlands. Most booming strategies call for using deflection boom to guide oil towards beaches and away from wetlands/estuaries. You usually do more harm trying to clean up the wetlands/estuaries than you do by letting the oil degrade biologically, however, the ultimate goal is to keep the oil out of the wetlands/marine estuaries, hence the decision to use the dispersants.

The whole situation stinks, but I can assure you, all resources, BP, Feds, States, etc. are being used to try and minimize the environmental as well as economic impact.

Re: Use of Dispersants for Gulf Oil Spill

Posted: May 21st, 2010, 10:14 am
by MudDucker
Dubble Trubble wrote:I will say it again. How many of you on here ride a Donkey? If you use a truck, car, or motorized boat, YOU are part of the problem (I am also).

This was an industrial accident, nothing more, nothing less. The ramifications of it are going to be widespread, but until we quit using oil (I do not see that happening), we are going to have these things happen.

It is no different than if you were in an auto accident, except a lot more lawyers are going to get rich off of this one.

Lets just hope the guys working on this can come up with solutions that work. Armchair quarterbacking and the blame game is getting us nowhere.

I don't like the spill one bit, but I still buy BP gasoline, and will continue to do so. They are going to be hit hard by this, yet they are providing us with gas for our little fishing trips.

When you tell me you have given up buying gasoline or Diesel, then I will listen to the whining.

Sorry, just the way I see it.

Dubble :thumbup:
I agree with most of your post, however, what I am reporting as far as the company and regulators is what they have admitted to. This was and is a cluster. I am not calling for eradication of offshore drilling, but they do need to tighten up their act. I think the cost of this one to BP will cause it go back and check its policies.

Re: Use of Dispersants for Gulf Oil Spill

Posted: May 21st, 2010, 10:16 am
by MudDucker
Dubble Trubble wrote:I will say it again. How many of you on here ride a Donkey? If you use a truck, car, or motorized boat, YOU are part of the problem (I am also).

This was an industrial accident, nothing more, nothing less. The ramifications of it are going to be widespread, but until we quit using oil (I do not see that happening), we are going to have these things happen.

It is no different than if you were in an auto accident, except a lot more lawyers are going to get rich off of this one.

Lets just hope the guys working on this can come up with solutions that work. Armchair quarterbacking and the blame game is getting us nowhere.

I don't like the spill one bit, but I still buy BP gasoline, and will continue to do so. They are going to be hit hard by this, yet they are providing us with gas for our little fishing trips.

When you tell me you have given up buying gasoline or Diesel, then I will listen to the whining.

Sorry, just the way I see it.

Dubble :thumbup:
I agree with most of your post, however, what I am reporting as far as the company and regulators is what they have admitted to. This was and is a cluster. I am not calling for eradication of offshore drilling, but they do need to tighten up their act. I think the cost of this one to BP will cause it go back and check its policies.
Scoop Sea wrote:
MudDucker wrote:The disbersants were used to save the beaches. That is a hard call as to what will do the most damage. The more that comes out, the more it seems this was a total cluster both by the company and by the regulators.

Trust me, the dispersants are not being used to save the beaches, the dispersants are being used to try and keep the oil out of the wetlands/marine estuaries. Oil on a sandy beach is an easy job to clean up verses trying to get it out of the marsh and wetlands. Most booming strategies call for using deflection boom to guide oil towards beaches and away from wetlands/estuaries. You usually do more harm trying to clean up the wetlands/estuaries than you do by letting the oil degrade biologically, however, the ultimate goal is to keep the oil out of the wetlands/marine estuaries, hence the decision to use the dispersants.

The whole situation stinks, but I can assure you, all resources, BP, Feds, States, etc. are being used to try and minimize the environmental as well as economic impact.
I agree and I guess I was not specific enough. The more accurate statement I should have made is that the dispersants were used to try to prevent land fall.

Re: Use of Dispersants for Gulf Oil Spill

Posted: May 21st, 2010, 10:19 am
by MudDucker
big bend gyrene wrote:
boggob wrote:It was willful negligence at all levels in order to save or make a buck.
As an independent tired of lies spewed from pretty much all politicians, I just want to know how many of the libs on the board believe that the liberal leaders aren't guilty of the same sin?

Pelosi jetting her family around willy nilly on military planes while criticizing businessmen for doing legitimate business on jets (I worked at GD in Tallahassee and it was the only way for our leadership to meet for BUSINESS in one day, and as I sat in the meetings I know it was indeed for business), Geithner cheating on his own taxes, Daschle failed to pay more than $140,000 in taxes and interest on a car and driver provided by a wealthy Democratic fundraiser, Obama's playing more golf on the job in two years than Bush did in eight and likes his eating his caviar dinners quite a bit while the nation at large is suffering, Gore's made millions and is aiming for billions off his warming falsifications, and put 'em all together and they're spending almost every cent of the nations GDP.

I'll trust the businessman in a FREE market system everytime over the politician. The businessman at least faces the threat of other's stealing his business if his reputation becomes too damaged. Take it from someone who has worked with private industry and the government, the private businessman is much more apt to wisely spend his AND other's money than the gooberment.

Anyone wants to argue that the politicians aren't chasing power to pocket big bucks too, I'm all ears... :roll: :pop_1
Tell it all brother ... tell it all!

Re: Use of Dispersants for Gulf Oil Spill

Posted: May 21st, 2010, 10:48 am
by Scoop Sea
Sorry MudDucker, I should have known that the forum members here would be smart enough to know that the dispersants are being used to keep the oil off shore (not just to protect the beaches) to the extent possible. I just have heard soooo many politicos screaming about the beaches, when they should be concentrating on the more fragile environments. I reckon we will be discussing this for months to come. Have a good weekend.

Re: Use of Dispersants for Gulf Oil Spill

Posted: May 21st, 2010, 11:32 am
by red_yakker
"The Gulf of Mexico is a very big ocean. The amount of volume of oil and dispersant that we are putting into it is tiny in relation to the total volume of water,"-Tony Hayward, BP group treasurer, from the British newspaper "The Guardian"

Tony, I'm sure that all the out of work fisheman, shrimpers and most other businessmen of Louisianna, Alabama and Mississippi take comfort in your boneheaded statement.

Re: Use of Dispersants for Gulf Oil Spill

Posted: May 21st, 2010, 12:22 pm
by Dubble Trubble
MudDucker wrote: I think the cost of this one to BP will cause it go back and check its policies.

You nailed it. The cost of this will make BP one of the tightest ships around. See, self regulation does work. Much better than government regulation ever will.

And ANY of you that have run a business, I want you to think. Are you saying that your business has NEVER broken any regulatory law, intentional or not?

From what I have seen, it was a massive amount of natural gas that bubbled up and expanded beyond the safety capabilities. Remember these depths are wayyyy down where pressures are phenomenal. It MAY could have been prevented, but saying that is like saying we should stop the next earthquake at all costs....some things you just can not prevent. And be honest with yourself. Are you willing to pay 15 bux a gallon for gas to gaurantee this never happens again. I mean, some of you act like cost should be uncapped for businesses. Do you forget who hires the people that get paychecks?

Dubble :thumbup: