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June 4, tar patties and tar balls have been confirmed in widely scattered areas east of Pensacola. Reconnaissance flight missions are determining locations.

Eleven cleanup crews are either onsite or moving towards the area.

Additional impacts are expected in Escambia and Santa Rosa counties within the next 72 hours.

The latest projections from NOAA indicate that additional weathered oil from the leading edge of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill could impact the Florida Panhandle today due to a shift in winds and currents.

Oil sheen was reported by the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC) approximately five to six miles south of Pensacola Pass and southeast of Navarre on June 4.

Here is what we're passing on to our children and grandchildren:

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/0 ... e_oil.html

Oh good grief Boggob, shall I start posting links to horrible auto accidents with limbs severed and yell BAN AUTOMOBILES!

If you want to go back and live in caveman times, just buy you a ticket to a third world country! They do not use cars, do not drill for oil, do not use natural gas for heat, do not have many plastic things....Have fun!

Dubble

I have been just sharing information. I have not been judging anyone or calling them socialist, or commies, or liberals, or jumping to conculsions about wanting to live in cave man times. If you don't like the photos, don't look but don't sit around and minimalize or trivialize what is happening.

Golly Wolly Ms. Molly,

This thread started out in an upward manner, then went south, back up, and then back down with the pictures. The pictures are factual, however, they represent a limited view of the impact. No doubt it is terrible for the marine animals, birds, etc. that have been impacted, no doubt at all. But, when you look at the overall picture, those birds are few in number. For those who have been following this incident from the beginning, how many times did you see that one dang crab that had oil on him on TV. That loop played over and over and over,for days and days. I am not defending BP, nope, not at all. What I am saying is look at the response in a holistic approach and try and gauge the impact at the moment you are looking. If we keep pushing the overall negative impact and do not offer some rays of hope, then we will continue to strangle our neighbors in the tourism and fishing industries. If I am a tourist/fisherman and I am planning a trip to the coast and all I see is oiled birds and "tar balls" on the beach, I'm not heading down. If I am a fella up in Atlanta that loves fresh Florida seafood, I may be less inclined to order some if I think it has been contaminated with toxic oil. How about the miles and miles of clean water, great beaches, vibrant wildlife, fresh caught seafood, that has not been and hopefully will not be, covered in oil. In closing, let me be clear, one animal covered in oil is one too many. One drop of oil released into our environment is one drop too many. But we should strive to provide a realistic view of the incident, this includes the successes and the failures.
Alright, I'm hoping down off my soapbox and heading back to work.

boggob wrote:Here is what we're passing on to our children and grandchildren:

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/0 ... e_oil.html

Yep. and I bet you go to car races just to see the wrecks.

BTW, don't buy the children any milk on the way home from work. It takes petroleum to make the container. And be sure to walk.

big bend gyrene wrote:In the meantime, we ought to be encouraging others to enjoy it all they can/while they can and do what we can to help those whose livelihoods depend on it. Treating it as the apocalypse when our immediate neck of the woods (for those in the Tally area) hasn't yet been hit is actually doing more harm than good, creating unnecessary victims via our local guides & the state's touristry industry.

Well said. We should be seeing a large influx of tourism right now. You would think that people would be anxious to go get all the fishing in they can while they can (I know I am ). Instead it seems as though everyone thinks the oils is already here, everything's dead and it's best to just get used to the fact that the Gulf is off limits.

Maybe they could open up scallop season a few weeks early this year. That always seems to attract a big crowd. I'm usually not too excited when the big crowds show up, but we could use it right now.

Too true, Dubble... if numbers were ever published on the number of squirrels, possums, cats, & dogs killed by automobiles, it would far outweigh the bird loss we're going to see. Guess boggob thinks the poor squirrels did something to deserve their extremely violent deaths.

As for the children/grandchildren comment, that flies in the face of past offshore oil spill experiences. Bad for few years, maybe/maybe not even that, but generations... no way... Good Man above has much more powerful natural ways of undoing our harm than we do ourselves.

Guess the "unnecessarily hurting guides and tourism" thought I shared didn't mean much to at least one person. Over and out for me, got to stop before JT accuses me of drinking...

container what did they feed the cow how did they refine the milk haul it refridgerate it ban milk now and cookies and people get rid of the damn people and the internet takes power to run the computer and a/c to sit in while we bellyache then we can have utopia.

was a perfect world till God let people in.

you said races did you mean sailboats? ban all races waste of fuel, football, baseball, basketball too sking is ok as long as they walk there and no lift is used, maybe flying kites, ban everthing every where including puppies and kittens because of the energy used to make the food and meds for them.

Boycott mankind do nothing to further the human race. yeeee haaaw now there is they answer.

THEY GOT A CAP ON IT THAT IS AN IMPROVEMENT! THAT IS ALL!

If sheen of oil or worse yet mats of oil get into Crooked Island Sound or Saint Joe Bay the shallow turtle grass flats wont make it. It'll take more than a few years for them to recover, if they do at all. And who says God will fix this? Now, I am a big believer in God but I hold no illusion that he will fix all things bad in this world, including this spill. God absolves sins not man-made disasters. "Call on and believe in God, but row away from the rocks." Some things we have to do ourselves. Knowing and accepting the tech. limits when drilling this deep is something we should see now and in my eyes not worth the risk involved. BP's or any other oil company’s reach has exceeded their grasp at those extreme depths.

1. I don't trust anyone who hides behind a mask.
2.BP has been stopped from trying many proposals to stop the flow by the Army Corps of Engineers,the same government that says they are doing everything possible to assist.
3.When Obama shows up again this weekend,the same frontman entourage in the white oil spill cleanup suits will be waiting for the cameras.
4.As stated by ScoopSea, if the negative talk continues the thousands that are actually trying to do something will get discouraged and say "to Hell with it".
5.If I say what I am really thinking,I will get banned from BBF.net.
6.One third of my fishing holes are off limits and I am not happy about that.

Hey Guys, this sure is a lively post. JT, I don't know of any projects that the ACOE has stopped BP from trying to stop the flow of oil, that just might be some scuttlebutt. That being said, my ops are in MS, AL, and FL, so it is possible that something has come through on the other side of the border I didn't see.
Petroleum hitting the beaches in Perdido area and the tarballs in P'cola sure stunk. The ironic thing about the "mousse" that hit the beach over near Perdido (the picture on the AP showing the kids holding the oil on a stick and folks standing around) is that petroleum pad was actually being held by boom a couple hundred yards off the beach, but the wind/waves got the better of it before it could be removed. That was a blackeye for the response, having the oil held up and then it getting away. Lesson learned. Oil will hit the beach, unfortunately that is just a fact now. The size/amount is what remains to be seen. Tarballs are what we have seen the most of. Forecasts as you guys know show the trajectories moving east with the wind.

I had a good feeling about today, things happened that kind of dampered the good feeling (the oil impacting the Florida coastline for the first time). That being said, I am cautiously optimistic about the top hat system. Numbers won't be released for some time, but it seems to be going well. I know there are a lot of folks who are thinking, what the heck is he talking about, there is still a lot of oil flowing out around the top hat. Remember, you have to have that oil flow outward to make sure the saltwater doesn't enter the piping system and "freeze" up the system with hydrates like what happened with the coffer dome. Now, the key is to find that right mix that reduces that flow even more, but keeps the saltwater out. This would have been easier if the cut had been clean, but the "jagged" edges made it where the gasket couldn't fit correctly and in turn, we have and will continue to have oil flowing outside of the top hat. This is a fact that will remain all the way until the relief wells are completed. The goal is to get that flow down to as little as possible. I for one am cautiously optimistic that we will see progress over the next few days. This is a methodical process. There are a few valves, etc. that will come into play that aren't in play yet. In turn, although the top hat is on, oil continues to flow out at a pretty good rate. My gut feeling is this rate will reduce over the next few days as the planned processes move forward.
The take away point for tonight is: The full picture may not be known and this may be due to not wanting to get hopes set up high and then dashed once again.............. I'm just saying........
Two more days of this response and I'm headed east bound for a break, I can't wait.
Ya'll be safe on the water tomorrow.

WHAT WAS THE FLOW BEFORE THE CAP AND WHAT IS THE FLOW NOW ?

Thank you Scoop Sea, you are very appreciated.

At some point in time let's discuss why we're forced to drill in such a ridiculous location to begin with!!!!!!!!!