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Re: What are we doing wrong?

Posted: April 30th, 2012, 7:54 pm
by wiseman25
Try going right out of the river towards pattys island pick a depth and either work in to land or out until u start to find wht depth they are hitting in. Sometimes 2 foot more or less water makes a big difference so search around.

Re: What are we doing wrong?

Posted: April 30th, 2012, 8:06 pm
by setty7
Salty Gator wrote:You may want to go earlier. Unless there is a slack tide we usually put in at safe light. The spooks, skitterwalks and topdogs all use a "walk the dog" action. Not too hard with a little practice, but does take a little. On the other hand a storm chug bug ( or ang chugger)can be just as deadly on the trout and reds. Easier to get used to. Just pop it, let it sit. Reel a little. Pop it, let it sit and so on. We usually start with one with a spook and one with a chug bug and see what works. If you get " blowups" with no takers, switch to a suspending plug like a mirrodine or Paul brown corkie. I think a spook was originally a bass lure, in fact I think most of our redfish lures are borrowed from the bass guys. Like previously said, try to fish when the tide is moving. Also move around and try different spots and baits until you establish a pattern. Don't worry it gets better. I had a lot of skunks in my boat when I first started. It is sweet when it all starts to come together though. You will be there before you know it

Thanks man, what is a storm chug bug? And what is a suspending plug?

Re: What are we doing wrong?

Posted: April 30th, 2012, 8:07 pm
by FUTCHCAIRO
YA MIGHT WANT TO USE A SMALLER JIG, LIKE A 1/8 OZ. WITH A NATURAL OR GLOW COLOR ON THE GRUB. THE ONE I USE IS UNDER A CORK ABOUT 18 INCHES. MAKE A SLOW LONG SWEEP WITH YOUR ROD AND THEN LET IT SIT TO THE COUNT OF 5 AND THEN DO IT AGAIN. I HAVE FOUND THE I HAVE DONE BETTER ON A INCOMING TIDE, TRY TO CATCH THE LOW TIDE , SAY ABOUT 5-6 IN THE MORNING, DRAG A COUPLE OF GRUBS BEHIND THE BOAT AND CAST WITH MOST ANY LOUD TOP WATER BAIT AHEAD OF THE BOAT. I USE MOSTLY BAITS THAT HAVE A SPINNER ON THE FRONT AND REAR OF THE PLUG THAT MAKE A LOT OF NOISE, I VARY THE SPEED THAT I JERK IT , GENERALLY JERK IT 3-4 TIMES AND LET IT SIT TO THE COUNT OF 5 AND THEN REPEAT THE SAME ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE BOAT. WATCH FOR BIRDS FEEDING OUT ON THE FLATS, IF YA SEE FISH FEEDING UNDER THEM IT IS PROBABLY SPANISH, I USE SILVER SPOONS AND WORK IT REAL FAST FOR THE SPANISH. HOPE THIS MIGHT HELP YA A LITTLE. DO NOT STAY IN ONE PLACE TOO LONG, MOVE AROUND, I GENERALLY WORK EAST OF THE LIGHT HOUSE BETWEEN THE FLOATING MARKERS AND THE SHORE, WORK UP ANY OF THE SMALL CREEKS THAT YOU COME TO, GO UP THE CREEKS AS FAR AS YOU CAN, BE SURE TO GET OUT BEFORE THE LOW TIDE CATCHES YOU.
PA
SEMPER FI

Re: What are we doing wrong?

Posted: April 30th, 2012, 8:10 pm
by setty7
zload wrote:Setty 7 I'm new at the salt game as well, haven't been totally skunked yet but came mighty close. Those suggesting switching up until you have the pattern of the day down make the most sense to me. I usually have a least one other person in the boat so from the begining we fish differently until things start happening. The cork/jig/Gulp is probably the best newbie game out there but I've found that sometimes they want a different color etc. So when we are starting if there are 4 in the boat we use 4 different colors or depths or presentations. Just to see if the fish are being picky. I recently went to Steinhatchee and fished from daylight until about 11:00 with hardly a bite. Went from the grass out to 5'. I like to fish a jig/gulp without the cork more or less bottom bouncing. As I moved out we suddenly hit a zone and caught trout as fast as we could pull them in. Not a single bite on the jig/cork combo but slamming on the jig alone. Switched my daughter to the jig only and she went to slamming as well. Color didn't seem to make a differencem, it was pretty much cast and reel. Had boats all around me, including one who decided to investigate closer but I lucked into the right spot and the right presentation, never saw my "neighbor" bring in a fish. Came back and hardly any of the folks at the docks had caught anything. We probably caught 70+ trout in 2 hours. I wish it were skill but it was luck, other than being willing to change up until you find something that works. I do try and fish moving water as in tide but the JOB is such a pain so I fish when I can, hang in there I think the best is yet to come for this year!

Nice man seems like y'all slayed em' good! Thanks for ur help

Re: What are we doing wrong?

Posted: April 30th, 2012, 8:11 pm
by setty7
wiseman25 wrote:Try going right out of the river towards pattys island pick a depth and either work in to land or out until u start to find wht depth they are hitting in. Sometimes 2 foot more or less water makes a big difference so search around.

Where is pattys island from the light house??

Re: What are we doing wrong?

Posted: April 30th, 2012, 8:12 pm
by setty7
FUTCHCAIRO wrote:YA MIGHT WANT TO USE A SMALLER JIG, LIKE A 1/8 OZ. WITH A NATURAL OR GLOW COLOR ON THE GRUB. THE ONE I USE IS UNDER A CORK ABOUT 18 INCHES. MAKE A SLOW LONG SWEEP WITH YOUR ROD AND THEN LET IT SIT TO THE COUNT OF 5 AND THEN DO IT AGAIN. I HAVE FOUND THE I HAVE DONE BETTER ON A INCOMING TIDE, TRY TO CATCH THE LOW TIDE , SAY ABOUT 5-6 IN THE MORNING, DRAG A COUPLE OF GRUBS BEHIND THE BOAT AND CAST WITH MOST ANY LOUD TOP WATER BAIT AHEAD OF THE BOAT. I USE MOSTLY BAITS THAT HAVE A SPINNER ON THE FRONT AND REAR OF THE PLUG THAT MAKE A LOT OF NOISE, I VARY THE SPEED THAT I JERK IT , GENERALLY JERK IT 3-4 TIMES AND LET IT SIT TO THE COUNT OF 5 AND THEN REPEAT THE SAME ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE BOAT. WATCH FOR BIRDS FEEDING OUT ON THE FLATS, IF YA SEE FISH FEEDING UNDER THEM IT IS PROBABLY SPANISH, I USE SILVER SPOONS AND WORK IT REAL FAST FOR THE SPANISH. HOPE THIS MIGHT HELP YA A LITTLE. DO NOT STAY IN ONE PLACE TOO LONG, MOVE AROUND, I GENERALLY WORK EAST OF THE LIGHT HOUSE BETWEEN THE FLOATING MARKERS AND THE SHORE, WORK UP ANY OF THE SMALL CREEKS THAT YOU COME TO, GO UP THE CREEKS AS FAR AS YOU CAN, BE SURE TO GET OUT BEFORE THE LOW TIDE CATCHES YOU.
PA
SEMPER FI

Awesome thanks for ur help!! What kinda "grub" should I use?

Re: What are we doing wrong?

Posted: April 30th, 2012, 8:19 pm
by Salty Gator
A storm chug bug is a type of topwater plug. A suspending plug is one that you work lower in the water column. Mirrodine by mirrolure is a type. There are a bunch of different brands and colors etc. Go to Kevin's and get Lin or Miles to hook you up.

Re: What are we doing wrong?

Posted: April 30th, 2012, 9:52 pm
by tallykenj
Setty7, :smt006

I'm entering my third year of fishing, I feel your pain, man. Although its a challenge, fishing is fun and addictive (not to mention it can be pricey). The guys and gals on this forum are very helpful and a lot of fun. If you haven't already thought about it, check out the fishing club and it's tournaments.

When I first got into fishing I fished nearly each tourny but this has changed since I keep my boat at Sheild's. I fish the east and west flats now nearly every weekend. My wife and I are getting better. My daughter always out fishes us. Keep the faith, keep reading this forum and pay close attention to what works and doesn't when you go out. Move around and try different baits and tactics at different times.

Jigs and floats seem to be the most common late morning and througout the day. My wife only likes to use live shrimp and I generally stick with Gulp! and DOA products. I have way too many lures of all types and I don't have much luck with them. They are fun, however, when a fish hits them. I'm still figuring them out. YouTube has great videos. I also record nearly every fishing show on the air and read at least six magazines a month. One thing I keep talking about but haven't done yet is keeping a log.

Man, fishing is great!!! :beer:

Re: What are we doing wrong?

Posted: May 1st, 2012, 6:55 am
by silverking
SHOWBOAT wrote:worry less about what you read on forums or in magazines ...
That's blasphemy, Showboat. :lol:

Lots of good advice on this and your duplicate post Setty. Be willing to experiment with different lures, depths, tactics and you'll improve your catch rate.

And the flats seminar a few mentioned is the Flats Pro Seminar that Capt. Chuck Simpson and I teach every February at Shields Marina in St. Marks. It's designed for all skill levels from beginners to advanced and attendees leave with tips we've learned from our collective 25 years of guiding, plus lots of cool goodies. I'll post an announcement on here and in the Tallahassee Democrat when the next one is scheduled. We've sold out the last two years, however, so sign up early.

Tight lines,
Capt. Dave Lear

Re: What are we doing wrong?

Posted: May 1st, 2012, 7:36 am
by CaptReelThyme
I agree with every one on here. I have missed both Pro Flats Seminars, due to that favorite four letter word. But I have heard nothing but great things. They do sell out/fill up quick, so be ready to sign up. I have been flats fishing from here to back home in Louisiana for 15 years. I have used soft baits, live baits, plugs, spoons and everything inbetween. When it is slow and all else fails. I tie on a Cajun Thunder with a leader of 18 to 24 " depending on depth, find some grass in about 4 to 6' of water, use a red 1/8 oz jig with a 'nuclear chicken' gulp shrimp and it produces almost every time. Like Momma said, patience is a virtue. Stick with it, it will happen. Good luck.

Re: What are we doing wrong?

Posted: May 1st, 2012, 11:12 am
by wiseman25
If u come out the lighthouse slip and were 2 go straiggg out of the channel u would run into patties asliand a few miles down. I would suggest downloading google earth on a computer or phone. U can find all the islands and bars or whtever on that. Most of my spots were first found on maps then tried out

Re: What are we doing wrong?

Posted: May 1st, 2012, 5:56 pm
by Hit-n-Miss
Like what Pa said move around. I keep a kitchen timer on the boat and give a drift 30 minutes, then it's time to move if not catching any fish. If you catch fish on a drift then they stop biting, go back and make the same drift again.

Re: What are we doing wrong?

Posted: May 1st, 2012, 6:20 pm
by reelcatch
Do yourself a favor and contact a local guide. Pay for a day of fishing. When you get done you will have an understanding of how and where to fish. Should cost around 300 or 350 for the day I think. Worth the money for the lesson and you will have fish at the end of the day. Just my thought, the old saying the blind can't lead the blind means something. Go with someone who KNOWS the flats.

Re: What are we doing wrong?

Posted: May 1st, 2012, 8:42 pm
by Gulf Coast
reelcatch wrote:Do yourself a favor and contact a local guide. Pay for a day of fishing. When you get done you will have an understanding of how and where to fish. Should cost around 300 or 350 for the day I think. Worth the money for the lesson and you will have fish at the end of the day. Just my thought, the old saying the blind can't lead the blind means something. Go with someone who KNOWS the flats.
:thumbup: :thumbup: PS There are a few on here, if you look

Re: What are we doing wrong?

Posted: May 1st, 2012, 9:00 pm
by setty7
Salty Gator wrote:A storm chug bug is a type of topwater plug. A suspending plug is one that you work lower in the water column. Mirrodine by mirrolure is a type. There are a bunch of different brands and colors etc. Go to Kevin's and get Lin or Miles to hook you up.
Thanks man, what do I ask when I go into kevins?