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bull68dawg wrote:

Reel Cowboy wrote:The issue is still how are you going to enforce denying illegals healthcare, when it is iilegal to turn them away?

Maybe Im wrong but why are we wanting to turn away sick people who cant afford health care? Yes they may be illegals but the are people. I pay taxes and would rather have my money spent on people here in america that have problems instead of spending millions on people in iraq that dont want it and hate us. Hey here is a thought if you dont want to pay for their health care stop hiring them, they will go home.
The reason he sould appologize is because not only is he wrong but he showed no class. In eight years you never heard any Democrats screeming "Coke Junky" during any of Bush's addresses and that would have been true. My .02

captkeyser wrote:I am with you Woopty and Crispy. I was begining to believe all the bs about this proposal and was glad to hear that it truly was bs. It is amazing what people/groups can come up with. Seems to me the plan, for the most part is a good one. Obama should have informed the nation earlier, before folks got too creative.

red_yakker wrote:The Rebulicans are just angry that their "death panel" myth has been debunked and are looking for another issue to compromise the health care bill.

bull68dawg wrote:

Reel Cowboy wrote:The issue is still how are you going to enforce denying illegals healthcare, when it is iilegal to turn them away?

Maybe Im wrong but why are we wanting to turn away sick people who cant afford health care? Yes they may be illegals but the are people. I pay taxes and would rather have my money spent on people here in america that have problems instead of spending millions on people in iraq that dont want it and hate us. Hey here is a thought if you dont want to pay for their health care stop hiring them, they will go home.
The reason he sould appologize is because not only is he wrong but he showed no class. In eight years you never heard any Democrats screeming "Coke Junky" during any of Bush's addresses and that would have been true. My .02

MudDucker wrote:

captkeyser wrote:I am with you Woopty and Crispy. I was begining to believe all the bs about this proposal and was glad to hear that it truly was bs. It is amazing what people/groups can come up with. Seems to me the plan, for the most part is a good one. Obama should have informed the nation earlier, before folks got too creative.

The kook aid from Washington is getting stronger and stronger. This plan has but one goal in mind. A single payer system with the US Gov't being the single payer. Take the eloquent words of a consummate politician (aka liar) from your ears and look at the facts. There is no program that the US Gov't runs that is not inefficient and wasteful.

Why is it going to move to one payer, because of two factors in this plan. 1. The fine to cover employees is 8% of wages, but most insurance for employees cost more than this. 2. A Gov't plan with vodoo economics and accounting that is supposedly a zero profit plan is one that will be very impossible to compete against.

Bottom line, there is no way in hell this plan is revenue neutral without huge tax increases. First seniors will feel the pinch under the guise of cleaning up fraud and abuse and then employers will be next.

Never in my 54 years have I witnessed so many Americans following a pied piper off of the cliff.

MudDucker wrote:

captkeyser wrote:Bottom line, there is no way in hell this plan is revenue neutral without huge tax increases.

MudDucker wrote:

bull68dawg wrote:

Reel Cowboy wrote:The issue is still how are you going to enforce denying illegals healthcare, when it is iilegal to turn them away?

Maybe Im wrong but why are we wanting to turn away sick people who cant afford health care? Yes they may be illegals but the are people. I pay taxes and would rather have my money spent on people here in america that have problems instead of spending millions on people in iraq that dont want it and hate us. Hey here is a thought if you dont want to pay for their health care stop hiring them, they will go home.
The reason he sould appologize is because not only is he wrong but he showed no class. In eight years you never heard any Democrats screeming "Coke Junky" during any of Bush's addresses and that would have been true. My .02

Oh lord, another Mork from Ork. Pelosi and Reid quite often organized loud disruptions of Bush's speeches. At least you are admitting that Obama is a liar, since you think calling Bush a Coke Junky was true about him.

bull68dawg wrote: but im not expecting a Good Ole Boy from South Carolina to read a bill before speaking on it.

Flanders wrote:

bull68dawg wrote: but im not expecting a Good Ole Boy from South Carolina to read a bill before speaking on it.

Correct me if im wrong, but didnt Obama try to push this bill through the house before anyone had time to read it???

bull68dawg wrote:What are you a reporter for fox news. You cant actually expect someone to think they can get a trillon dollar bill pushed through without anyone reading it. Come on.

bull68dawg wrote:

Flanders wrote:

bull68dawg wrote: but im not expecting a Good Ole Boy from South Carolina to read a bill before speaking on it.

Correct me if im wrong, but didnt Obama try to push this bill through the house before anyone had time to read it???

What are you a reporter for fox news. You cant actually expect someone to think they can get a trillon dollar bill pushed through without anyone reading it. Come on.

bull68dawg wrote:

MudDucker wrote:

bull68dawg wrote:

Reel Cowboy wrote:The issue is still how are you going to enforce denying illegals healthcare, when it is iilegal to turn them away?

Maybe Im wrong but why are we wanting to turn away sick people who cant afford health care? Yes they may be illegals but the are people. I pay taxes and would rather have my money spent on people here in america that have problems instead of spending millions on people in iraq that dont want it and hate us. Hey here is a thought if you dont want to pay for their health care stop hiring them, they will go home.
The reason he sould appologize is because not only is he wrong but he showed no class. In eight years you never heard any Democrats screeming "Coke Junky" during any of Bush's addresses and that would have been true. My .02

Oh lord, another Mork from Ork. Pelosi and Reid quite often organized loud disruptions of Bush's speeches. At least you are admitting that Obama is a liar, since you think calling Bush a Coke Junky was true about him.

Pelosi or Reid never spoke out of turn during an address. Yes they may have spoke against a moron but the difference is they had the floor not in the middle of a speech. And im not calling Obama a liar. Wilson was wrong but im not expecting a Good Ole Boy from South Carolina to read a bill before speaking on it. Calling Bush a coke junky maybe a little much but more than a dozen people and himself said he tried it so maybe we will call him a "Taste Tester"