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Re: Whatcha think about him now :-)
Posted: June 1st, 2011, 9:40 pm
by Pecanman
I looked down the barrell of a judge(pistol) about four months ago! Thanks to the good Lord and a little luck I got out of the situation. I found out later the guy was and is on meth! My opinion that is a very fair law and it should be that way for all the states!
Re: Whatcha think about him now :-)
Posted: June 1st, 2011, 10:01 pm
by Jumptrout51
Reel Cowboy wrote:Jumptrout51 wrote:.
I do not do drugs,buy drugs.
A man your age probably should.
I do stand corrected.
Unisom,Bayer and Beer are my vices along with cigarettes and the occasional Preparation H.
Re: Whatcha think about him now :-)
Posted: June 1st, 2011, 10:48 pm
by Gulf Coast
I havn't read all the post on this but I think no work no FREE MONEY get a efing job ?? But I know a few small markets that take food stamps and thats does help them folks out. These folks told me of caddy's and hummers being driven and using food stamps to pay for food,That will make your blood boil !!!
Re: Whatcha think about him now :-)
Posted: June 2nd, 2011, 6:39 am
by lonesouth
Now we know why Gary is so at peace wading out with the gators...420 bud...
JK Gary
I did hear that the ACLU is suing Scott over this law. I never did realize that welfare was a civil liberty...
Re: Whatcha think about him now :-)
Posted: June 2nd, 2011, 7:51 am
by mojokoko
Well, most state workers don't like Gov Scott, mainly for one of several reasons. State workers have not gotten a raise in who knows how many years, and with inflation going up, it's
basically a pay cut. On top of that, he is basically taking money out of my salary and forcing me to put that into a state retirement plan, via Investment Fund and or Pension. I honestly
don't want state government foricng me to spend money for my retirement. I would never count on the state pension and or investment fund as a sole means of retirement anyway.
I could never trust that guy after stealing billions of dollars from all kinds of people during his years in the medical industury. On top of that he sold two state airplanes for a combined
cost of 3.7 million dollars, but the state still owns 3.4 million in payments on the leased cessna which makes the actually savings not as much as he makes it out to be. The other problem
is having all the state agencies move their IT infrastructure to SSRC. I can tell you from first hand experience with these clowns, that they will charge you for EVERYTHING. If you breath
in their building they will charge you hundreds of dollars. We were charged several hundred dollars to do inventory on stuff that the SSRC now claims to own. I wish someone would please
explain that one to me.
Re: Whatcha think about him now :-)
Posted: June 2nd, 2011, 7:56 am
by lonesouth
How about, instead of the state giving a pension, they give back the 3% they are taking out, and remove the pension entirely? Let the employee manage their retirement on their own? Would that be better? Talk about saving money!!!
Re: Whatcha think about him now :-)
Posted: June 2nd, 2011, 8:16 am
by Reel Cowboy
mojokoko wrote: The other problem is having all the state agencies move their IT infrastructure to SSRC. I can tell you from first hand experience with these clowns, that they will charge you for EVERYTHING.
Correct me if I'm wrong but that would be whomever signed the contracts problem, not SSRC. They're in this to make money anyway they can & it's not their fault somebody missed the contract talks.
But I'm north of the border, so please carry on.
Re: Whatcha think about him now :-)
Posted: June 2nd, 2011, 8:24 am
by MudDucker
mastercaster wrote:Futchcairo , fix your keyboard, or do you just yell all the time?
As for Scott, drug testing welfare recipients isn't that bad of an idea, but I can't help thinking it's for the wrong reason with this guy. There is a huge conflict of intrest with his family and the drug testing clinics Solantic. I still hold to my opinion this guy is a scum bag criminal...
NOTHING WRONG WITH PA'S KEYBOARD.
If it bothers you that much, there is a website that will fix the problem for you. Here is the link:
www.getmyheadoutofmyazz.com I highly recommend it to you!
BTW, are you another refuge from Florida Sportsman online? If so, did it not occur to you that there is a reason why a LOT of us on here are not on there? See the link above.
Re: Whatcha think about him now :-)
Posted: June 2nd, 2011, 8:32 am
by MudDucker
GaryDroze wrote:To Showboat,
As an Independent who considers the Republicans and Democrats equally corrupt, my problem with Scott's ruling is very precise. Specifically, he has targeted the least powerful of those benefitting from government handouts. If you are a welfare recipient or low-level state worker, you must pee into a cup. If you are a corporate beneficiary of a lucrative tax exemption (I challenge you to convince me how this differs from welfare), or if you are a Florida senator or representative, you get a pass.
Bottom line: those with clout have nothing to worry about. Business as usual.
GaryDroze wrote:You are not going to get this, but my argument is that many extremely rich folks who get giant tax breaks will never be tested for drugs. Why not? They bought their legislators, fair and square. I'm saying that if you are going to bust citizens for drugs, bust ALL of them (not just the poor,who can't afford lawyers). Jumptrout, I don't advocate letting the poor off the hook. I just want the fat cats to be subject to the same code of justice. If you think they are, we are too far apart to discuss this.
My goodness gracious. These posts are the epitome of arrogant ignorance. They sound like Pelosi and Reed, not an independent.
While I agree that many in government are corrupt, this program is not corrupt. Are you really so naive as to believe that a person on crack or meth is really using the welfare money for food and fiber? No sir, they are a part of the underground economy and laughing all the way to their dealer with the welfare money.
Second, your challenge is laughable. Lets see, one group creates jobs, makes money and expands the economy. Most likely, even after the so called tax breaks, they are still paying tax, because we all know that 10% of Americans pay 90% of the income taxes. Over 50% of Americans pay NO INCOME TAX. So really, the "fat cats" are the ones getting fleeced. Second, now pay attention here, because I'll bet this is over your head, corporations and businesses in normal economic times really pay no tax. They are a conduit of taxes from the consumer (you and I) to the government. They are going to hit their bottom line numbers, so they pass it on.
You can drink the kook aid and spout the party line all you want, but you can't wash the stink off of socialism!
As Margaret Thatcher said in paraphrase, the main thing wrong with socialism is that sooner or later, you run out of other people's money!
Re: Whatcha think about him now :-)
Posted: June 2nd, 2011, 8:38 am
by mojokoko
"Correct me if I'm wrong but that would be whomever signed the contracts problem, not SSRC. They're in this to make money anyway they can & it's not their fault somebody missed the contract talks"
Well for starters it's wasting taxpapers money paying for services that don't need to be paid in the first place. Why spend all this money to move IT infrastructure which it was working
fine to begin with. It's almost like they're wanting to start a cloud service, but instead of just offering servers, and other modifications, such as, RAM, HDD space, etc, they are basically
forcing state agencies by law to move their equipment over there. I guarantee you that there will be millions in wasted dollars spent moving all of the equipment to SSRC.
Re: Whatcha think about him now :-)
Posted: June 2nd, 2011, 8:47 am
by lonesouth
MudDucker wrote:Second, now pay attention here, because I'll bet this is over your head, corporations and businesses in normal economic times really pay no tax. They are a conduit of taxes from the consumer (you and I) to the government. They are going to hit their bottom line numbers, so they pass it on.
You can drink the kook aid and spout the party line all you want, but you can't wash the stink off of socialism!
As Margaret Thatcher said in paraphrase, the main thing wrong with socialism is that sooner or later, you run out of other people's money!
Even the liberal bastion of education follows your point.
Look at the 3% pension deduction as a tax. The FSU president is determined to offset that, ergo increasing cost. Tuition is increased to cover the cost. The tax goes to the end consumer.
The budget the Legislature passed late Friday calls for a $19.3-million reduction in appropriations for FSU, which comes on top of more than $85 million in cuts by the state since 2007.
"It's a big number. I was hoping it would be half that size," FSU President Eric Barron said Monday following a meeting of the university's Budget Crisis Committee.
It's a number that is likely to get bigger.
Barron is determined to produce a budget for the next school year that compensates FSU employees for the 3 percent that the state now requires them to pay into their retirement system. This would add another $7 million to FSU's deficit.
Add to that the $12.8-million deficit with which FSU began 2010-11, and the $1.8 million it cost the university when an arbitrator ordered FSU to re-hire up to 21 tenured faculty who had been given layoff notices — and FSU's deficit could top $40 million.
But Barron is determined to have FSU cover the new cost of faculty and staff paying into the state retirement system.
"I think it's catastrophic for our faculty to take a pay cut," he said. "We're struggling right now just to hold on to our faculty."
Down about 125 members out of 1,200 tenured faculty as a result of hiring freezes put in place three years ago, FSU will be losing another 50 or so professors at the end of June when its federal stimulus funds expire.
Barron said one of his primary goals is avoiding further layoffs while working to find money for annual raises.
FSU's red numbers will be offset in part by a 15-percent increase in tuition, which will produce about $15.6 million.
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Re: Whatcha think about him now :-)
Posted: June 2nd, 2011, 8:47 am
by wevans
Re: Whatcha think about him now :-)
Posted: June 2nd, 2011, 8:49 am
by RalphKramden2011
I would gladly fail a pee test if it would prevent me from paying taxes!
Re: Whatcha think about him now :-)
Posted: June 2nd, 2011, 8:55 am
by lonesouth
Regarding SSRC:
I'd bet they can operate at a lower budget for the work performed than the state. Which is to say that the state reduces its IT workforce and infrastructure, and contracts a private firm to handle it. The private firm will hire some of the displaced state workers. Smaller government = less budget = should lower taxes. Government is notoriously inefficient, there is no incentive.
Now I'm hoping that the SSRC contract was bid out. There are few things I loathe more than a no-bid government contract. It ranks right up there with earmarks in the sleazy politician list of things I hate.
Re: Whatcha think about him now :-)
Posted: June 2nd, 2011, 8:57 am
by RalphKramden2011
GaryDroze wrote:You are not going to get this, but my argument is that many extremely rich folks who get giant tax breaks will never be tested for drugs. Why not? They bought their legislators, fair and square. I'm saying that if you are going to bust citizens for drugs, bust ALL of them (not just the poor,who can't afford lawyers). Jumptrout, I don't advocate letting the poor off the hook. I just want the fat cats to be subject to the same code of justice. If you think they are, we are too far apart to discuss this.
Is this National Looney Week or something?
