Ga. governor says state will sue to cut Apalachicola flow

Post by **Barhopr** » October 19th, 2007, 9:34 am

The only thing that fills Lanier is Rain water, if they don't get rain they don't have a lake. EPA says they have to have "X" min flow everyday out of Seminole. Nothing can be done about that except repeal the endangered species act. I love to hear when folks on the coast say that Atlanta needs to curb development.....now thats funny

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MrGreenJeans · Post by **MrGreenJeans** » October 19th, 2007, 10:06 am

MudDucker wrote:Bottom line is that the corp is releasing more water than is coming in, thereby giving the downstream folks more water than they would have if there was a natural flow of water. That isn't right.

Your post makes it sound like you are under the impression that the benefits of the resevoir are only for upstream folks and not downstream folks as well. If Georgia wanted to reap all the benefits, they shouldn't have seeked Federal funding. I am not saying that what they are doing is right, it just seems that everyones opinion seems to allign exactly with what is best for them.

Post by **Barhopr** » October 19th, 2007, 10:26 am

MrGreenJeans wrote:
MudDucker wrote:Bottom line is that the corp is releasing more water than is coming in, thereby giving the downstream folks more water than they would have if there was a natural flow of water. That isn't right.

Your post makes it sound like you are under the impression that the benefits of the resevoir are only for upstream folks and not downstream folks as well. If Georgia wanted to reap all the benefits, they shouldn't have seeked Federal funding. I am not saying that what they are doing is right, it just seems that everyones opinion seems to allign exactly with what is best for them.

It is impossible to let more water out than comes into the system. It's a timeing issue

Post by **Dubble Trubble** » October 19th, 2007, 10:52 am

boggob wrote:I don't think you realize how importat that water is to the fishery in the bay. Maybe if GA realized that unchecked development was not going to work back when the issue over flows began, some 10+ years ago, they would not be in this situation. They do not own the water.

You Florida coastal people are NOT the ones to talk about unchecked development. There USED to be beautiful dunes I played on between Panama City and Destin, but now if you take a boatride along that coastline, it is solid condos and beachhouses....

I am popping open a few Coors tonight, and I will go over and pee in the Flint saturday...maybe that will help...

Dubble

Littoral · Post by **Littoral** » October 19th, 2007, 10:56 am

MrGreenJeans wrote:...it just seems that everyones opinion seems to allign exactly with what is best for them.

Imagine that.
I figure most of us know that the "water wars" have been going on for a long time so the story is certainly not new.
Fl Ga & Ala have negotiated in good faith but very little in the way of policy has been established.
The only perspective I'd like to add is that state (and other) boundaries are not determined by watersheds. If that was the case then a whole lot of essential issues would be addressed in "due course".
Just my 2 cents.

Post by **RHTFISH** » October 19th, 2007, 1:08 pm

Whatever happened to "possession" rights?

Folks southward want things nothward status quo as they were
years ago and vice versa.....where I grew up that was
known as a "poser." Living somewhat between the two areas of
extremes. all I want is water to bathe whenever I want, fill up pool,
wash wife's car and my truck and boat as I please, keep grass alive
and then drive to an undeveloped section of coast and enjoy its
natural beauty and fishing resources. I freely admit to
"wanting my cake and to eat it also." Admit it folks, isn't that what
we all want?

Post by **tin can** » October 19th, 2007, 2:52 pm

RHTFISH wrote: I freely admit to
"wanting my cake and to eat it also." Admit it folks, isn't that what
we all want?

Well said, Rhtfish. You're right on the money.

Post by **GAJOEY** » October 19th, 2007, 7:08 pm

Ty one on wrote:
If this was the old wild west days the state of Florida would go up river and blow-up the dam.

And haul tail back up the river to rebuild the dam to stop the water when the the river rises because of heavy rain.(Not that we have had any in a while but it will come sooner or later)....there has to be some kind of happy medium or everyone will suffer..

Post by **birddog** » October 19th, 2007, 7:11 pm

It always rains at the end of a drought.

Post by **MudDucker** » October 20th, 2007, 9:03 am

MrGreenJeans wrote:
MudDucker wrote:Bottom line is that the corp is releasing more water than is coming in, thereby giving the downstream folks more water than they would have if there was a natural flow of water. That isn't right.

Your post makes it sound like you are under the impression that the benefits of the resevoir are only for upstream folks and not downstream folks as well. If Georgia wanted to reap all the benefits, they shouldn't have seeked Federal funding. I am not saying that what they are doing is right, it just seems that everyones opinion seems to allign exactly with what is best for them.

If you read back to when these reservoirs were designed, they were designed to store water for the surrounding area and to provide flood control for the downstream areas. I don't think I"ve ever seen a document were downstream flow was to be protected beyond what pre-damn flow would have been.

Nice try to deflect the issue, but I don't live in or near Atlanta so I am not aligning myself based on self interest.

Post by **Barhopr** » October 20th, 2007, 8:25 pm

MudDucker wrote:
MrGreenJeans wrote:
MudDucker wrote:Bottom line is that the corp is releasing more water than is coming in, thereby giving the downstream folks more water than they would have if there was a natural flow of water. That isn't right.

Your post makes it sound like you are under the impression that the benefits of the resevoir are only for upstream folks and not downstream folks as well. If Georgia wanted to reap all the benefits, they shouldn't have seeked Federal funding. I am not saying that what they are doing is right, it just seems that everyones opinion seems to allign exactly with what is best for them.
If you read back to when these reservoirs were designed, they were designed to store water for the surrounding area and to provide flood control for the downstream areas. I don't think I"ve ever seen a document were downstream flow was to be protected beyond what pre-damn flow would have been.

DING DING DING DING , we have a winner. That document came in the 70's along with the Endangered species act. Before that folks South of The three rivers area on Seminole were begging for help with flood control and were pleading for accessable/cheap electricity.

Nice try to deflect the issue, but I don't live in or near Atlanta so I am not aligning myself based on self interest.

rjohnson · Post by **rjohnson** » October 20th, 2007, 9:33 pm

Muck-dwelling aquatic life contributes FAR more to society than your average Georgian. No joke.

Let gravity decide who gets the water.

Post by **Barhopr** » October 20th, 2007, 9:40 pm

[quote="rjohnson"]Muck-dwelling aquatic life contributes FAR more to society than your average Georgian......quote]
except for the water that originates from our state. Much like everything else that makes Florida a success, it has to be imported

Post by **Redbelly** » October 20th, 2007, 9:46 pm

rjohnson wrote:Muck-dwelling aquatic life contributes FAR more to society than your average Georgian. No joke.

Let gravity decide who gets the water.

No joke.....it's statements like that which make me wanna piss in the Fla aquifer, just for you!

rjohnson · Post by **rjohnson** » October 20th, 2007, 10:14 pm

I think I just threw a rock at a hornet nest

So, a Georgia boy and a Florida boy were pissing off of a bridge. The rest of the joke escapes me, but the Georgia boy had a tiny penis.

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Don't mind me, I'm just here to deface Tom's Web site. I'm a product of Georgia, myself