Verrrryyyyyy Interesting

[MudDucker]

The President on scene commander had no responsibility until the President gave the order. This is BS.

OK, here is the real story direct from a senior SEAL contact on BO's actions as apposed to what the stupid main stream media reported. If we get in a real crisis his inability to make a decision or delegate to our military will put us in great jeopardy!!!

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Having spoken to some SEAL pals here in Virginia Beach yesterday and asking why this thing dragged out for 4 days, I got the following:

1. BHO wouldn't authorize the DEVGRU/NSWC SEAL teams to the scene for 36 hours going against OSC (on scene commander) recommendation.
2. Once they arrived, BHO imposed restrictions on their ROE that they couldn't do anything unless the hostage's life was in "imminent" danger
3. The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS had the raggies all sighted in, but could not fire due to ROE restriction
4. When the navy RIB came under fire as it approached with supplies, no fire was returned due to ROE restrictions. As the raggies were shooting at the RIB, they were exposed and the SEALS had them all dialed in.
5. BHO specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the Bainbridge CPN and SEAL teams
6. Bainbridge CPN and SEAL team CDR finally decide they have the OpArea and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage. 4 hours later, 3 dead raggies
7. BHO immediately claims credit for his "daring and decisive" behaviour. As usual with him, it's BS.
So per our last email thread, I'm downgrading Oohbaby's performace to D-. Only reason it's not an F is that the hostage survived. Read the following accurate account.

Philips’ first leap into the warm, dark water of the Indian Ocean Bainbridge in range and a rescue by his country’s Navy possible, Philips threw himself off of his lifeboat prison, enabling Navy shooters onboard the destroyer a clear shot at his captors — and none was taken.

The guidance from National Command Authority — the president of the United States , Barack Obama — had been clear: a peaceful solution was the only acceptable outcome to this standoff unless the hostage’s life was in clear, extreme danger.

The next day, a small Navy boat approaching the floating raft was fired on by the Somali pirates — and again no fire was returned and no pirates killed. This was again due to the cautious stance assumed by Navy personnel thanks to the combination of a lack of clear guidance from Washington and a mandate from the commander in chief’s staff not to act until Obama, a man with no background of dealing with such issues and no track record of decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a “peaceful solution” would be acceptable.

After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the onscenecommander decided he’d had enough.

Keeping his authority to act in the case of a clear and present danger to the hostage’s life and having heard nothing from Washington since yet another request to mount a rescue operation had been denied the day before, the Navy officer — unnamed in all media reports to date — decided the AK47 one captor had leveled at Philips’ back was a threat to the hostage’s life and ordered the NSWC team to take their shots.

Three rounds downrange later, all three brigands became enemy KIA and Philips was safe.

There is upside, downside, and spinside to the series of events over the last week that culminated in yesterday’s dramatic rescue of an American hostage.

Almost immediately following word of the rescue, the Obama administration and its supporters claimed victory against pirates in the Indian Ocean and [1] declared that the dramatic end to the standoff put paid to questions of the inexperienced president’s toughness and decisiveness.

Despite the Obama administration’s (and its sycophants’) attempt to spin yesterday’s success as a result of bold, decisive leadership by the inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort.

What should have been a standoff lasting only hours — as long as it took the USS Bainbridge and its team of NSWC operators to steam to the location — became an embarrassing four day and counting standoff between a ragtag handful of criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.

[Chalk]

Plenty of coaches in the bleachers at a ball game...plenty of opinions after the game as well...sorry it took so long to kill the bad guys

[Dabbler]

Thanks MD. Why are thugs in fishing skiffs allowed to board? I can't understand why they are not prop wash or target practice. What am I missing?

[Flanders]

Wow... Thank God we didnt have this president at 9/11. Its amazing to me how the much the media is in the tank for this guy. However congrats to our awesome Navy for the win after taking matters into their own hands.

[Dubble Trubble]

Hell, they are capturing them trying to do it again and letting them go. Talk about a bunch of Idiots running our country! We are in deep doo doo if we are ever in real danger.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090419/ap_ ... f/piracy_4

Washington has turned into a bunch of wussies. (could not use the word I wanted to)

Blow there asses out of the water if they even get near a ship. It is clear what they intend to do. If we had helicopter gunships out there ready to kick their asses as soon as they are a threat, you will see it end. Hell, I will go one step further. Find the camps they are in on land, and drop a few phospor bombs. Those things are just awesome! Of course, I am sure they are now no longer "politically correct".

But they sure will put fear in your arse.

To me this is like letting someone break in to your house, and waiting to see if they are going to kill you before you shoot them. Just real stupid.

I am betting Obama is just scared he might kill one of his uncles or something..... (Duck for Deputy Barney's bullet)

Dubble

[Chalk]

Three pirates are dead.

Definition of pirate - One who robs at sea or plunders the land from the sea without commission from a sovereign nation.

Your at sea in the greatest known pirating area of the world...you don't have a watch, if not two...you don't have any weapons with that watch...your an idiot and you deserve to be caught....If I owned that company of that ship and was responsible for the cargo...in the famous words of Donald Trump the poor captain would hear these words - "Your Fired!"

You want to compare it to Navy terms. The captain would hear the same words from his CO - "Your fired" for not properly following protocol and ensuring your vessel and crew are safe at all times.

Forest Gump of the sea got caught by some teenage pirates....now Forest is free and the pirates are dead.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and- ... ody-count/ > than three pirates dead

And why would you duck for an Obama comment DT? Does everyone think I am a Democrat or an Obama supporter? Well, there is another fine example of folks assuming around here.

[RHTFISH]

Obama must have found the Jimmy Carter/Bill Clinton playbook!

Four days response time is a total joke...2 hours max...that's what the SEALS train and live for!

[Chalk]

US military does not have free reign of the world. I know of US citizens that work for one of my defense contractors that have been detained in a middle eastern country since January. I guess we should run over and shot....diplomacy does not always come from a smoking gun.

[Dubble Trubble]

You know. If we are to do a body count thing, then why does not the press call for a ban on Automobiles? More Americans are killed each DAY in these that in a year in mass shootings. And then you mix them with alcohol, which the government not only allows, but reaps tax money off of.

Then we spend millions to lock up 16 year olds for smoking a joint, then put 2 border guards in jail for shooting a known hard drug trafficker in the arse. Talk about hipocrisy.

Sorry, but banning assault weapons is nothing more than a band aid on a gaping wound.

But instead, we have to hear things like banning them, and banning 4 wheelers and motorcycles for kids because they might eat them and get lead poisoning.

What a laughing mess in Washington.

Dubble

[Dubble Trubble]

US military does not have free reign of the world. I know of US citizens that work for one of my defense contractors that have been detained in a middle eastern country since January. I guess we should run over and shot....diplomacy does not always come from a smoking gun.

The US military should be working with all other countries that are having ships taken. I did not mean we should do it all alone. But doing NOTHING is just plain dumb. And how do you use diplomacy with a country that has no government?

Dubble

[RHTFISH]

I can just imagine diplomatic negotiations with ship hijackers!

An armed gunship hovering about 50 yards away spraying a few warning rounds would be diplomacy in action!

"Diplomacy" has come to mean everything but flexing our muscles like we should!

[MudDucker]

First, no merchant ship carries weapons because many ports are labeled "weapon free" and will not let ships in that carry arms as anything other than cargo.

Second, the navies of the world have traditionally guarded merchant shipping and taken on pirates. The penalty has always been death. It is a far greater deterrence than paying millions in ransom.

Third, yes, if the military knows where a U.S. Citizen is being held in a foreign war zone and it can be done reasonably, the military should try and liberate them. Lord knows, we spend millions of dollars launching search parties for idiots who put themselves in peril by going out in boats that are either inadequate or they have inadequate knowledge to safey operate them.

[dolphinatic]

"The world is governed by the agressive use of force." Always has, always will be

By the way, has anybody ever seen "Pirates of the Carribbean?"

[Chalk]

Everyone decide - if you were a captain of a ship would you sail through Somalia without proper protection?

Look at the map - http://www.icc-ccs.org/index.php?option ... Itemid=219

if the military knows where a U.S. Citizen is being held in a foreign war zone and it can be done reasonably, the military should try and liberate them.

Seems like an oxymoron statement to me. Reasonably = Diplomacy

Is this the right sequence of events for this topic:
- Pirates were killed and it took to long - it was the president’s fault
- Captain should have properly defended his crew and ship when immanent danger is present.
- Now the Navies of the world should defend against pirates - and everyone says their taxes are too high....protecting ships that venture into harms way is not free and the Navies of the world are paid from what? The taxes that all of you complain about. I could go on a rant about how small and large American owned businesses are fleecing America of their own tax dollars buy selling to the government at outrageous prices, but that would derail this topic of lax performance of the Military for not kicking the door down with guns a blazing.
- Now we are spending millions to pluck idiots from out own waters - again lets cut tax dollars to these programs and go protect idiots that sail through pirate infested waters with little to no regard for their own safety. I am sure anyone who has been saved by the Coast Guard would agree that the money should go to saving Americans in foreign countries vice saving and protecting Americans in home waters.

So, if we follow the policy recommended so far we would probably be at war with some small country - because we liberated our people with no regard to that country - because we are Americans and we can. Never mind the fact that we would have hundreds of Navy ship on patrol around the world. Add in the cost of those ships (fuel, crew, food, repair, flights home, etc). And then there would be a topic on here about why are our taxes so high, the president sucks, why are we paying millions of dollars to protect ships from teenage pirates.

When all it would have taken was a little common sense - one deer rifle with 100 rounds from South Georgia Outdoors would protect most any ship and save America millions of tax dollars in military expenses.

[Tom Keels]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-mHJCdkBMo