Freshwater fish ID help

[akasephiroth]

Ive been working at this place for 4 yrs. There is 2 ponds next to the job site where people will come in on weekends and fish while im here at work. Saturday a guy brought a fish up to me and asked if I knew what it was, I told him it was some type of carp and he tossed it back. There is 1 huge carp in the bigger of the 2 ponds that would range between 30-40lb's easy ive only got a look at him from the bank in the water but after seeing this smaller version its made me wonder what kind of carp is this? I did a little searching and found some info on a rudd this is what the small version looked like but net says rudd are at most 3-4lbs. Is it possiable that one of these grew to monster size (if so time to set a record lol) and if not has anyone seen or heard of a type of larger carp that is just like the rudd i know a grass carp is very close but they do not have the bright red fin's like the rudd. here is a pic of the rudd i found when searching the net this is just like the fish the guy brought to me sat about the same size and all.

[Harmsway]

'Round Tallahasse we call that a Lake Shiner.
Got any more (live ones, that is)?

[slayer]

golden shiner.....sometimes people call them a"roach"......great bait for a monster bass.....

[akasephiroth]

What is the big one? Theres is one in this pond here that is upwards 30lb+ is that the same thing? Sorry no live one's on me, gonna head out here tommarow while im off and try to catch a small one for my son's fish tank since his gold fish died.

[Jumptrout51]

aka redhorse shiner.

[RHTFISH]

Lake Jackson big bass favorite in 70s!!!!!!!

[Chill-N-Grill]

We always called them orange lake shiners. We used to catch them in lake Jackson when I was a kid. Great Big Bass bait...

[akasephiroth]

From the post looks like i stumbled on something to make me give freshwater another try, maybe i should catch a few and hit up lake seminole, havent done any freshwater fishing (outside some local catfish) in 3+ yrs.

[Chalk]

aka redhorse shiner.

[Flint River Pirate]

Go to Seminole and put one of those shiners under a Cajun Thunder. Bass can't stand that

[DeanMac]

aka redhorse shiner.

redhorse, was my vote before I read any post

[Ty one on]

And also known as roaches.

[bman]

Everyone is right - Shiner.

Hook it through the lips and out the nose.
Drift it under a cork across open water.

Or Hook it in the back- not too deep or you will kill it.
And still fish it under a cork.

Old timers- including Baily's dad and my dad - waxed their line above the cork.
Then when a bass takes it you can see what direction he has run and know how to set the hook.

They are not a tough bait so I'm not sure how they would do in an aquarium.
Ive had better luck keeping little bream alive.

[RHTFISH]

Balloons about size of softball work great as a substitute for cork.

Somebody tell Mr. Bman using bream is illegal.....!

[Charles]

Years ago (late '70s?) I knew a guy that had a whole wall in his living room covered with biiig bass he took out of Lake Jackson using live shiners. He was kind of a friend of a friend of a friend, think I only ever met him twice. Once was at his house. He used a cane pole and dough balls to catch wild shiners before he went bass fishing. Said store bought shiners weren't worth a damn because they were too small and died too quick. The wild ones were tougher. He also said shiners up to 12" long weren't too big.